No Limits: Making Fitness Accessible for All

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Season 8, Episode 16  | July 2, 2024

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Welcome to Life Time Talks, the podcast that’s aimed at helping you achieve your health, fitness, and life goals. I’m Jamie Martin, editor-in-chief of Experience Life, Life Time’s whole life health and fitness magazine. And I’m David Freeman, director of Alpha, one of Life Time’s signature group training programs.

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What’s going on everyone? Welcome back to another episode of Life Time Talks. We’ve got a great topic today, it’s gonna be talking about making fitness accessible for all. We do have a special guest. To give you a little bit more about the topic, I’m gonna have Jamie go over our special guest. But one of the things that we love about this podcast is we get to hear from you out there, and what it is that you wanna listen to and the topics you wanna hear about. So, today’s topic is a listener’s request, how to make fitness accessible for all.And we’re excited to have this conversation with our special guest.

Sarah Winchester is here with us today. She is the personal training leader at Lifetime in Frisco, Texas, whose client Brad Jones most recently won the 60-day challenge at Lifetime. He happens to be a paraplegic. Her undergrad is in exercise science with minors in health and adaptive physical education. Sarah was a D1 soccer player, teacher, and coach of the Special Olympics who has a passion for fitness and helping others. Sarah has had multiple surgeries herself and she viewed those injuries as limitations. But, working with wounded veterans and other individuals with disabilities has helped her learn to shift her mindset from disabilities and limitations to capabilities. Sarah is married with four kids who are eight, nine, 10, and 11. All right in a row, I love that. And they are all passionate about sports and fitness. She grew up in a military family. Her dad was an E7 Sergeant First Class. And she was therefore surrounded by veterans, many of whom struggled with injuries as a result of combat. This drove Sarah’s passion for helping others through fitness.

Sarah, thanks so much for coming on Lifetime Talks.

Thanks for having me.

How are you doing? I know you two just alluded to a workout that you did together this morning. You’re both in Frisco. Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, so we’re having First Fridays. It’s an opportunity for all the leaders, the studio leaders and lead generals to come together and unity for a common goal to make sure we’re all aligned within Dallas and the Texas market. So, we always look forward to it. For those of us who are hosting today, you pick, you know, your top performers, which David is the best of the best. So, him and Bryce Morris put us through Alpha and I was wearing my heart rate monitor, so I was trying to coast and he came over and was like, “you’re not in zone three, pick up your pace.” So I’m a little red, a little flushed from Alpha and yoga flow, which man, I need to do more yoga. That’s what I got out today.

That’s awesome. So, David, we’re going to like, I know you know Sarah and you guys talk all the time. So, I get to ask the first question, even though I know you want to jump in here. I can see it I can see it.

So, Sarah, in your intro, we heard a little bit about your background, but we want to hear directly from you about what are a few of the experiences that influenced your decision to become a personal trainer, and kind of apply that passion that you have for helping others with disabilities or other potential limitations, whatever they are.

Well, I grew up with a close family member that had special needs and a lot of people were like, they didn’t know what to do with him. And so I always enjoyed being around him, just treating him like a human being, because that’s what we should do for all people. And I would play sports with him. And so he was fully capable of doing everything. And I remember my first ACL tear of my floor. I was like, I can’t do anything. And I’m like, what in the world is my mind thinking that I can’t do anything with an injury when there’s people in the world that are fully capable and have accomplished unreal things who have greater obstacles than an injury, right? So it kind of like just paved the way with just family members and my dad being military and then sports. So was like, this is what I need to do. I need to shift people’s mindsets from disabilities to capabilities, you know, because I think we look where it’s so like we don’t see some things are right in front of us because we have tunnel vision. So, that’s kind of how I got into it.

Yeah, I love it. And I mean, obviously we have a lot of touch points, Sarah, even today we had one of our adaptive athletes come in and you saw what I did. I came right over to you. I was like, do you know what the limitations may be for this athlete? So I think what our listeners need to hear, what are some of the common misconceptions? I know you said how you take, you know, what people might look at as a limitation versus what they’re able to do. So what are some of the common misconceptions that you see in this space that people can now be aware of that we can empower people with? There’s so much more that you can do versus what you can’t do.

Yeah, definitely. I think one thing is when people come in, we offer a lot of classes at Lifetime. It’s one of the major benefits of being a member here is community, right? And everybody needs to have that sense of camaraderie and community. So when they come in, coaches oftentimes are like, they can’t take my class because they’re in a wheelchair. They can’t take my class because maybe they’re missing a limb. Well, yes, they can. You just have to, you don’t even have to necessarily always change the movement pattern. You just need to adapt the exercise. So shifting your mindset to, OK, well, this individual might not be able to squat, but can they hinge? Yes, that’s a change in movement, but you can give more variations of exercises. But not thinking they can’t, what can they do? Like that’s where our minds and hearts need to be. How can I make this a community for everyone that walks through the door? How is it accessible for every single person that comes within our walls and outside our walls for that matter.

Absolutely. So when you start working with a new client who potentially has a disability of some sort, what is the process that you go through to fully understand their circumstances and then how do you plan from there so that you’re making sure that you’re meeting, you know, that person where they are, but also know all the possibilities because there are many.

So it starts with just a basic conversation, like human interaction of where their mind is because sometimes their mind isn’t where they’re going, right? For example, Brad, who we talked about 60 day, he was like, I can’t do this. I can’t do 60 day. I’m not ready for this. And I’m like, OK, what are your reasons of why? How are you feeling? What do we need to help you with? Because we can’t always just go into the physical aspect of it because there’s a lot of mental aspects that come along with working with an individual. So I try to get on, just get to know them. I feel like it’s common sense sometimes, you know, where you’re like, just build a friendship. But we forget that because, especially with people in my field, we have a very science background. So we want to go straight to the science. I do the opposite. I go straight to the human being. And then from there, I see what they can do. And I work with what we have and how we can adapt to make it accessible. Like someone said to me the other day, I can’t do the cable machines. OK, well, let’s lower the cable machines so they’re at your level, right? So get to know them first and foremost. Like I know it sounds like, really? But you got to start there because once you have the mental aspect of where they are at, you can build the physical program around it.

Yeah, I like that the planning and preparation is obviously key. And I think we can do a lot of that through a discovery process sitting down with these individuals, understanding what it is that they want to accomplish. I like what you said that the foundation is the mindset, because that’s a lot of time where the barriers come in, they think a certain way. So therefore, they can’t act until they do what they need to do mentally first. So like that. You kind of just talked about the cable, bringing the cable weights down to the level where they’re at meeting them where they’re at. I’ve seen you with Brad and individuals in general and you got them up on the platform. So talk to us about how you make it accessible and what people can do and what the generals and coaches can do to make sure that their space at lifetime or even beyond lifetime is accessible for these individuals. What are some things that they can do?

Well, for example the platforms I used plates for to help Brad get up with when you in his chair, but he wanted to be able to build shoulders and upper body strength because he has to be able to move himself from one place to another, right? He has to be able to transport himself. That’s the first and foremost most important thing. And so I would move the J hooks down and he would still be able to do a military press or there’s, we would use the landmines. I think people forget about the landmines. They’re lower, right? You can adjust what you’re doing with the barbell, but we see the platform—this is where I say sometimes we all have tunnel vision—because we’re able to move as freely as well. I’m not flexible, but in terms of we’re able to move freely from one exercise to another, but we may not think about, we can do a seated pull up from the platform, right? If we just lowered the barbell, we don’t have to do a pull up from the top or we can do a press, right? So there’s a lot of things we can move the cables to halfway. Every time I walk by the cables, and I know it probably drives people insane because aesthetically it looks appealing at the top, but there are people not just, you know, people with disabilities or people who may not be able to reach it, right? So if you move it to mid-range, now you’re hitting all levels, but it’s just a thought process. When I walk the fitness floor, I’ll move the benches so to make sure everyone can move easily through all the equipment. It’s just opening our minds to this is available for everyone. It’s just, we don’t all think that way.

I love just the thinking about, you know, the space, like kind of what’s the space around you and how are, what are those little adjustments that you can make that make this more accessible for anyone to your point, the cable arms or making sure that there’s enough space for somebody to able to move freely around the benches on the, on the weight floor, that type of thing. It’s just, you do tend to take that for granted, I would say. Like, I know it’s not something I’ve really considered to be totally just honest with you about that. And it’s a good thing for us all to keep in mind, you know, no matter what our abilities are, right?

So we got to feature Brad’s story in a recent issue of Experience Life, which was really awesome. And it was so fun to see them. I would love you, we mentioned his name’s Brad Jones. Can you talk a little bit about what the 60 day challenge is? And again, you already alluded that he didn’t think he could do it, but I think there is like more to that. Tell us a little bit about his story and how it went from like when it started to when it finished.

So, Brad was touring the club. He was just here, wanted to see, he was looking for a place maybe he called it the arm-bike because he wanted to be able to do some more cardio and potentially get in the pool. So he was just touring. When I saw him, I just walked up and started talking to him. He was wearing a Maverick shirt. I love sports in general, so it was an easy commonality. And we started working together right away, and 60-day is an opportunity to get to a better version of yourself. I never look at 60-day as like a weight loss goal or, you know, I always look at it as, what can we do better through this 60 days that we haven’t done in the previous 60 days? And take it one day at a time. Let’s just set a goal. Because I think when you think about 60 days, that’s still two months. So people are like, I can’t do that for two months. So when it came about, I was like, let’s do this. He’s like, no, I wouldn’t. I can’t win. And I was like, well, why can’t you? He’s like, well, has anyone ever won in a chair? Granted, he was at his heaviest weight. So and he was having trouble transporting himself, which is why he knew he had to make a change. Because if you lose that, like your overall quality of life goes down. I was like, well, let’s just do it for fun. You get a free shirt. I was like, I’ll help you. I’ll help you. We just got to get going. This is what we’re going do. We’re going to start with food because that’s the easiest thing and we’ll start adding different things and we’ll try pickleball. I said our goal for 60-day is every week we’re just going to try something that you normally wouldn’t try. We’re not going into it to like we’re going to win 60-day. You’re going to be the 60-day national champion. We’re like, OK, every week we’re going to try something different. We did Pilates, we did pickleball, we did alpha, GTX. I was like, things that you wouldn’t necessarily do, I will do them with you. So yes, I did go to GTX and Pilates and pickleball, he started playing with my kids. He beat my kids by the way. I’ll never let them forget it. But so we just looked at it that way and he ended up losing way more weight than we expected. He changed his mindset of what he could do. He’s part of our community. We all love him. If he’s not here, we’re like, where’s Brad? You know, I call him b-rad because he’s radical. He’s awesome. But yeah, it’s just it was just an opportunity to make a change in his life and he needed one and lifetime and Frisco, our community is amazing. Right, David? Like we have the most amazing team members. I just I love everyone here and they all love Brian. Brian loves everyone. So it kind of all came together and you won and we’re like, what?

What was that celebration like? I just want to know what that day was like, because I know that’s quite an experience.

It was amazing. I had to keep a secret because they told me he won. I mean, I’m not really good with secrets because my face tells a story. I couldn’t play poker, save my life. I tried to cheat on like a game once with David and he’s like, you’re lying. But I kept it from him and I told him I needed him here for a workout and the whole club came together and we had like confetti, his wife was in on it. He was running late. I was like, you better not be late or you’re gonna have extra battle rope slams. Cause we use the battle rope a lot. And he was like, no. I was like, yeah. And I’m gonna throw in the ball too. So, he got here on time and when he walked in, everyone just lit off all this confetti. We started chanting B-Rad cause they know I call them that. He cried. To this day — obviously, I love all my kids and my husband — but I would say it was the most rewarding experience to see his face like see that he did this. He didn’t think he could. He was like, there’s no way. To see someone else accomplish something that you know, they’re capable of, but they don’t. It is the most — I’m the biggest fan of 60-day everybody should do 60-day — because it is the most rewarding experience to see somebody else accomplish something that they didn’t think they could. It was the best day, wasn’t it the best day?

It was lot of great energy. It was definitely something that’s memorable. And I mean, we say this word community a lot. You hear it a lot across the board. And what I want us to be able to do is dive a little bit deeper into what community is and — I’ll give you another C-word — communication. Community brings about connection. So when you think about the community that we keep talking about, there’s a communication stream of us connecting with the things, whether it is in the cafe to help support our people, whether it is in recovery to make sure that they are recovering, if it is something within yoga — whatever it is, is these connections that are taking place within the community through communication. And when you think of the building of relationships, the cross-referencing of the information so we’re all empowered with it, the collaborations that take place. So when we say community, I want y’all to understand there’s communication and there’s connection that allows the community to thrive.

So there’s three C’s, and you know I always like to bring about something for people to remember. So, community, communication, connection. So let’s you dive into that Sarah, what those three C’s mean to you — community, communication and connection. How would you define that in your way?

Well, it’s on my board in my office because when we started to build a team for Life Time preview, because people don’t realize all the work that goes into opening a lifetime and building a team. Those were my three things. One, effective communication. I’ve made sure that every department leader, they know all my clients, they know our members. When they enter any other space, our team members know their name. The power of knowing someone’s name, Jamie, we were just talking about this. I’ve seen your name on everything, right? I’m like, who’s Jamie Martin? But then I see your face and I was like, oh Jamie! Like the power of connection starts with the communication, which can be as basic as the name of someone, right? So when we’re building that and our members come in and out of our space, like, do you really know them? Have you communicated who you are to them? Have you connected them to another space, whether it’s a smoothie?

You know, Brad would go down to the cafe and get a smoothie and Megan Carter, our cafe leader, would know exactly what he was getting. Or our team members would be like, Brad, I got you. Or you go to pickleball and they’re like, hey, you want your favorite court? So that’s where the communication becomes important is it starts with as basic as David, Jamie, Sarah. Like we have to know each other and then connect the members and the team members to one another. That’s really what the foundation of a community isn’t the walls. Like you could take all four walls away from Frisco and you would still find all the people would show up just to be around each other because that’s what we’re building, you know. David has said to me throughout lifetime, speak it into fruition. We’re going to be in Frisco, right? Remember David? He’s like, we’re going to build a community and it’s going to, it’s going to have a lot of power and we’re going to change lives. First and foremost, we’re going to change the lives. And you know, we did it. We had some bumps in the road, but we stayed connected through every obstacle, 2020, everything. We’d have calls. We stayed connected to one another and that is communication. And without the two, you can’t have community. Right? It’s not possible.

I feel like I need a trip down to Frisco. I need to come visit.

You do!

For myself. David, you always come to us up here in Minnesota. We need to go everywhere.

You come on down.

It’s time to go to Frisco.

And it’s way warmer here.

Yeah, it is. It’s warmer. Texas. Go to Texas. Oh gosh.

You try it then you can get cowboy boots.

Oh my God.

I might already have a pair of those. I’ll just bring mine with me. I have some of those. Because I was in Austin, Texas a few years ago, so I might have picked up a pair there.

One of the things that you had shared when we were prepping for this episode is thinking about where are the areas that we can change and adapt. And you mentioned the Normatec boots in the Recovery Center, for instance. What are some examples that you can provide of ways that equipment or recovery tools or things can be adapted for someone who maybe is going to use them differently than I might?

So, when I’m looking at one of the things that Brad used after every session was the arm Normatec sleeves. However, we would have to move both tables because he seated in a chair and to make sure his arms were out, right? Like if we had a table that had where you could like roll into it or even spaces to where they could use the Normatec sleeves in between tables, like when we’re building our spaces, we don’t necessarily think how we’re going to utilize the equipment.

Brad mentioned to David, he wanted to draw up how to build a ramp for the platforms because he could get down off the platform easily in his chair, but it was difficult for us to get him up there. At times I was like, good thing I’m strong. I like had to pick him up and maneuver him. And he was like, it would be nice if we could just roll on to a platform. I’m gonna be honest, that thought never crossed my mind. I was like, well we could put plates down, you could just roll on up. But the thought of why don’t we have that? Why do we keep our cables at the top or the spacing of our equipment? He can use all the lat pull down equipment and some people can transport themselves from their chair to a seat, but some people don’t feel comfortable doing it in an open environment in case something happens. So, you know, there are pull downs that don’t involve having a seat on it. These are not things that we have here. I would create it, I’d use the outrace and we’d put a band over the top of it and he could pull down off the band.

So, I would think outside the box of, OK we can do the same exercise. Let me just adapt of what we’re gonna use because we can’t get you into this space. And we have fun, it’s fun being creative too. So I don’t want people to think, well, it takes a lot of work and a lot of thought. It’s a lot of fun because you’re like, oh yeah, well you can do this and not injure yourself and feel comfortable because we want everybody to feel that they can come into any space and be able to have access to it, right? Whether we go to the pool. We have the chair in our pool, so we were able to lower and I got in the pool and swam with him. But does every club have that? Does every fitness space have that? Most likely not because it’s not something we think about.

Yeah, I like that that word. I want to kind of come right back to that word that you just said access. Access. I love that word. And in my opinion, it holds so much more value than a lot of the things that we probably associate to value. And a lot of people might say, alright, I want to have X amount of dollars so I can do these things. But when you think of going back to community and being connected to people that creates access. So, for Brad to now be able to speak to you and give you insight on something that you probably didn’t think of, you now can take that information, present it to someone else, and it creates this access of something that we probably would never have thought of. And that’s the beautiful part about the community, but more importantly, the communication to create the access to create change. So, if you can, I know I just gave an example, but what access means to you. And this, could be a fully able body, but what access means to Sarah Winchester and how that helps move you day in and day out.

When I think about it, I think that everybody can use it, right? Everybody can reach it. It doesn’t matter if you’re in a wheelchair or not, or you have other disabilities. There are a lot of people in this world that have difficulty moving themselves from the floor to standing because of fitness levels or medical issues. It’s not just people with disabilities. So I want to make sure that we’re clear on that because everybody wants to be treated as an equal, but you can’t treat someone as an equal if you don’t give them access to the same opportunities, right? So if you’re going to say, lifetime’s inclusive and for everyone, well then anybody should be able to walk in and use all our equipment, right? But it’s not always like that. Can we change that? 100%. We proved with Brad that you can lose a ton of weight and do metabolic testing. He did his active metabolic tests on the ergometer on the bike and did metabolic conditioning. But I don’t think there’s enough media, like information, where people know we can do this. They’re like, well, where am I going to go? There’s nowhere to go that can help me with this or that. Well, it’s because we don’t communicate that we have the knowledge, education and power to be able to provide this space for you. People don’t know.

And people would walk up to Brad all the time. They still do. And they’re like, man, you’re an inspiration. And he’s like, why? I’m just, I’m doing what you’re doing. Nobody wants to be treated as like the outsider. He doesn’t want to be stared at. He wants to work out, get strong, get all the gains, you know? Like that’s where he’s at. But people see it and they’re like, oh I didn’t know that you could do that. Or I didn’t know that. So, it needs to be more visual. Think about the Life Time Training app. We should have a whole section of more exercises, single arm wheelchair, like people of all different people demonstrating movements. And there may be, David, I don’t know if there’s anyone on the Life Time Training app in a wheelchair demonstrating movements where people could see it, but how cool would that be for someone to see someone like them and be like, I can use the Life Time Training app and work out and build programs because I built Brad, a program via the Life Time Training app. However, it was all people like me demonstrating the movements. And then I would say, OK, we’re to do it this way though. So, I think just people knowing we can do it is a bigger opportunity than anything.

You know, we’re talking a lot. We’ve talked a lot about physical disabilities, but I do think it’s also important to mention in this episode that not all disabilities are visible to people. And so, it’s important never to kind of assume that we know someone’s circumstances, you know? And I don’t know if you want to speak to that at all, but I do think that’s an important thing. You know, we’ve heard the term neurodivergence is coming. You know, like there’s different types of disabilities that just cannot be seen. And that’s something to always be considering, as you said, like as you’re getting to know somebody, you learn more about them and things come out for almost everybody in terms of the circumstances that they’re dealing with.

A hundred percent. I think there’s more recently with just the past few years than more than we see in physical because some of the obstacles that we all come across are holding ourselves back of fear of one thing or another, or you know there’s anxiety of being out in front of people and maybe not doing something right or not doing or not looking the right way. And that can hold us back even more because it’s like you know people they don’t there’s stigmas and there’s misconceptions but it’s as important to get to know the person mentally emotionally as it is physically because there are plenty of people out there that feel like they don’t have access to a Life Time because maybe I’ve heard people say, well, I’m not Life Time. What is everybody’s Life Time? Everybody. But talk to me and let’s figure out why you feel that way and how can I change your mindset to help you achieve what you want to achieve for yourself. So, it does start like mentally is the most important aspect. You got to get ground level because that will affect your physical capabilities as much as an injury will.

Yeah, and just from an inclusive effort, I hear what Sarah is saying. A lot of times people might identify with, well, I cannot afford or I cannot do these things. We have so many different initiatives within the community that help support meet you where you’re at. So, whether it is coming into your community and, you know, encouraging, empowering you with resources and information, we’ve done those things. So, if you are listening right now, just understand that we have programs in place to help support you and what our objective is – happier, healthier lives. So we can now come to schools or organizations and help support in this space as well. So I love that you said that when someone says lifetime, I’m not lifetime, we’re trying to make sure that you are set up for your lifetime and whatever fast that may be. So we all can be connected in that space.

Sarah, what have we missed? What have we not covered that you really want to make sure that we cover in this conversation around making fitness more inclusive and accessible for everybody.

So, you know, this is going to seem so simple, but I was thinking about this today. Brad and I talk about the reason he joined the Life Time was because I came and talked to him. Like literally started a conversation. We often stare at things that are unlike ourselves, right, that we don’t necessarily see on the regular. So, you know, we have a couple guest speakers here from Adaptive Training Foundation and one of them in Alpha class today is missing a limb. And he was killing the workout, right David? But you could see that people were kind of looking first because people don’t know. I think if you would talk to him, he’d say, just come talk to me. Come have a conversation. I went and took it. He’s super nice. His name’s Brendan. I’ll see him later tonight at our workout, but we just started talking. I was like, man, he did yoga better than I did. Like I think just having, don’t be afraid. Like don’t be afraid to go have a conversation with someone. It is always better to go talk to someone and introduce yourself and be friendly and inviting than is to stare at them. And I think that’s one of the reasons when you’re talking about the mental blocks and just everything that goes along with it. That’s not just people with disabilities fear. It’s everyone’s fear that you’ll be the one that everyone stares at. Right? You’ll be the outsider. Well, if I can influence anyone or any space, I hope it’s that just be kind to people and go say hi and ask them their name and invite them. They may not go because they’ll maybe, I don’t think I can do this. OK, well, maybe today you can’t, but I’m still gonna invite you tomorrow and the next day and the next day, because at some point you’re gonna feel like, OK, I’m either gonna break you down like David does, because David breaks everyone down to where they’re scared to miss Alpha at 5 AM on Tuesday, Thursday, or you’re gonna finally start to believe like, OK, yeah, I can do it. But I think that’s the biggest thing is — Brad and I would never have worked together. He would not be the 60-day national champion if I just didn’t go say hi and ask him, hey, how long are you just touring? How long have you been here and build a conversation with him? Right. So I know that’s kind of a long winded answer. And it’s so simplistic of go talk to someone and introduce yourself and be kind of staring at them. But none of us want to be that person. It’s a fear of mine. I get nervous in group classes. I was in yoga today. I was terrified. I was like looking at everyone. I was like, how are they doing that? OK, and I still can’t figure it out, but that’s not the point. But I think that’s like the biggest thing that we can all influence each other and our community is be welcoming. Just go be yourself and go talk to people that are different than you.

I think it’s time.

I do too.

Alright, so Sarah, what we always do is we have what’s called a mic drop moment at the end of every podcast is usually one question that kind of like almost like a hot seat question if you will. But it’s pretty straightforward. It’s your response to this word that I’m about to throw to you. What’s the first thing that comes to mind how you would respond to it? You ready?

Oh geez, David. You could have given me a heads up. You know I don’t always say the right things.

It’s called a mic drop moment. You’re good.

Is it gonna get me in trouble? Don’t get me in trouble.

You’re good. No, you’ll stay within the lines. I’m sure. You ready. OK. First thing that comes to mind, how you respond to this when you hear this word — fear.

Overcome it. Overcome it. We all have it. Find a way to overcome it.

There it is. That’s simple, y ‘all. Overcome it. We all have it. Find a way to overcome it. I talk about all the time. Break down or break through. Two different choices. The choice is yours. I love that, Sarah. Overcome it.

So David, I agree. I love that too. And so, David, what you’re doing in alpha is you’re really like you’re really helping people break through at 5 AM, those mornings of the week, right? Like, I mean, that’s a challenge to get there. Breaking through those barriers.

You’re gonna come. You’re gonna come to Frisco and go to 5 AM, Jamie, I’m speaking into fruition. It’s gonna happen.

It’s gonna happen. I’m gonna get down there. I will. I have done a few of David’s Alpha classes and I always am laying on the floor afterwards, basically, but it’s, it’s all good.

Hey, Alpha is for everyone. It’s a mindset. It’s not a level of fitness. Remember that. It’s all about the mind.

It is. It is. I love that. Alright. Well, Sarah, if people want to connect with you, how can they find you on Instagram or where could they find you? And then we also have some resources that you share that we’ll make sure to link to in the show notes. But we want them to know that they can connect with you as well.

Yeah. So my Instagram is @winchester_sarah. And anyone can message me or ask me questions. There are videos from Brad and I on there as well. So I’ve created some cool, like not as cool as David. David does a really good job with videos. But you can also email me. My email is swinchester@lt.life. If you have any questions or even about your space, I know I’ve received emails from some grand opening clubs that are like, hey, how can we create a more inclusive space for our members?Feel free to just drop me a line and I would love to talk and help change like spaces and mindsets and get more people involved so it’s accessible for all of us.

That’s awesome. Well, we will point to both of those. will include, you mentioned the foundation that is with you guys today. Can you share that again one more time?

Adaptive Training Foundation. They have accessible workouts for all people with disabilities and tonight our leadership team is actually going and doing one of their workouts with and it’s, you know, you work out together so they are here speaking to how to make our club and our community more accessible to everyone and change mindsets too because everyone’s capable it’s just finding where that is, right? So we don’t want to think of people as a disability no one wants you to think of them as what is limiting them, we’re gonna change people to think about what are they capable of.

Awesome. Well, the timing for recording this was ideal since all this was happening in your guys’ space today. So, Sarah, thank you for joining us. Thanks for sharing some of the little insights onto David as well as you all work together regularly. We always like those little hints.

I got plenty if you want more. That’s another episode.

OK. You can email me, Jamie. If you got questions I got insight.

OK, We’re best friends now. love this. Alright, poor David.

Alrright, Sarah, we appreciate you. Thank you.

Y’all have good day.

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