Ask the Trainers: Your Fitness Questions, Answered

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Season 7, Episode 8  | October 10, 2023

Jamie Martin:
Welcome to Life Time Talks, the podcast that’s aimed at helping you achieve your health, fitness, and life goals. I am Jamie Martin, editor-in-chief of Experience Life, Life Time’s whole life health and fitness magazine.

David Freeman:
And I’m David Freeman, director of Alpha, one of Life Time’s signature group training programs. We’re all in different places along our health and fitness journey but no matter what we’re working toward, there’s some essential things we can do to keep moving in the direction of healthy purpose driven life.

Jamie Martin:
In each episode, we breakdown various elements of healthy living, including fitness and nutrition, mindset and community, and health issues. We’ll also share real inspiring stories of transformation.

David Freeman:
And we’ll be talking to experts from Life Time and Beyond who will share their insights and knowledge, so you have the tools and information you need to take charge of your next steps. Here we go. Welcome back to another episode of Life Time Talks, I’m David Freeman.

Jamie Martin:
And I’m Jamie Martin.

David Freeman:
And today’s topic we’re going to be hitting on asking the trainers. So, Life Time trainers are experts in the industry and they’re here to support you at any club, wherever you’re at in your health and fitness journey, delivering a unique experience that can’t be replicated anywhere else. In working with and supporting individuals as they pursue their health and fitness goals, our trainers have encountered some common questions about making fitness progress and in today’s episode we’re going to be answering a lot of those frequently asked questions.

Our guests for today Makoto Matsuo and Sarah Pope. Makoto began his career at Life Time in 2014 as a personal trainer in Bergen County, New Jersey. Over the years he has held various leadership positions in group training and personal training at a number of Life Time destinations, including Garden City, Chappaqua and Westchester. Most recently Makoto was promoted to the position of lead general for the 23rd Street location in New York City. In this role, he oversees the overall operations ensuring the highest level of member experience while effectively and efficiently leading the team and driving the business of growth. And we also have another special guest Ms. Sarah Pope. Jamie take it away.

Jamie Martin:
The recent winner of the Best of Westchester Magazine 2020 Personal Trainer of the Year with 13 years of experience in the fitness industry, Sarah Pope is currently a fulltime dynamic personal training ambassador, personal trainer, small group training coach and group fitness instructor at Life Time in Westchester. She currently holds multiple fitness certifications along with multiple group fitness certs. Graduating from Plattsburgh University with a degree in fitness and wellness leadership and minors in business and athletic coaching, her passion for truly helping others become their best self lies much deeper than just getting into shape.

Sarah embraces developing a well balanced lifestyle for improving one’s health and / or athletic abilities. She says it’s more than just a quick fix or to look a certain way for a specific occasion its how you feel afterward. I love that perspective. It’s not about necessarily the aesthetics it’s the long-term and sustainable things we do. So, Sarah welcome and we’re happy to have you with us too.

Sarah Pope:
Thank you so much Jamie and David. I am so excited to drop some diamonds to you guys, out to all your listeners.

David Freeman:
Yeah, I’m going to go right into it. All right, so Sarah we’ll kick off with you as far as one of the common questions we get is what’s the right workout routine for me and how often should I be working out? So, take it away for us real quick.

Sarah Pope:
So, everyone’s different, right. We all come from different backgrounds, different specialties, you know, different ways of life. You know, when addressing, you know, what’s the best workout routine for me, per se, I like to tap into, you know, what’s your purpose? What’s your why, you know? What is it long-term that you’re looking to achieve? Is it really aesthetics, because if it is we’ve got to try much deeper than, you know, just the you know quick fix. You know, always having a plan is super important whether you’re working with a dynamic personal trainer or having a plan of some sort, you know, just really working with the right people on your team is going to help navigate with better outcomes in the long run.

You know, having the workout, anyone can work out, anyone can sweat and say, oh, my gosh I had a great workout, you know, but are you working towards a plan that’s going to give you goal-driven results? And that’s the number one thing that, I think, a lot of people either make or break when it comes to reaching those goals. You know, working with a dynamic personal trainer, like I said here at Life Time, you know having a health coach, you know attending specific classes that are going to pertain to those goals that you’re looking to reach. You know, some individuals unfortunately, you know, will need to work with other health practitioners if they have more, you know, severe injuries that they’re trying to work through. So, maybe their goal is rehabbing or overcoming a recent injury, you know, so on and so forth. So, just really having, you know, the right plan in place to knowing what’s best suited for that specific goal.

Jamie Martin:
Makoto do you want to add anything to that, building on what Sarah’s response was?

Makoto Matsuo:
First, the member should definitely connect with a dynamic personal trainer to schedule their onboarding session. I like to first ask what their goal is. So, most of time members will say they want to lose weight, tone up or get stronger and then I like to dig deeper into that goal and like find out what that means to them. So, is it 10 pounds? Is it 15 pounds? And when you say tone up do you want your clothes to fit you better or do you want to look a certain way in front of the mirror? And when you say stronger is it to do a single pull-up? Is it to bench or squat a certain weight? So, I need to find out their specific goal.

Because then the second question I’ll ask is how often can you come to the club or gym for the next three months? This prepares that member that this is not going to be a one month solve. So, typically members like to overshoot their number because they want to start strong, but then I’ll reask that question just to see how many times they can frequently come? So, for example, being like a fulltime mom or being at work all the time does four times a week really make sense? You’ve never gone to the gym before, but you want to start off five times a week. I want to make sure we start with a number that they can be consistent for the next three months, and if we start at four or five times a week then the following week they only get to the gym or club twice a week, they’ll already feel like they failed and started to not show up.

And then the third question I like to ask is their why. So, like, why now? Why are these goals important to you? Is it a wedding? Is it what the doctor recommended? Is it wanting to date again? What’s your why? So, by asking those three questions I could figure out what the right routine would be and how often they should be working out.

Jamie Martin:
And what I’m hearing from both of you is really it’s highly individualized, it really is. If we can dig a little deeper into the intrinsic motivations versus extrinsic that’s often how we kind of come up with that sustainable plan that’s out there for people. And everyone, like, we often hear this from our friend Sam McKinney when she comes on is it depends on who you are and the circumstances. So, okay, you both mentioned as you were talking in your response about dynamic personal training. So, if somebody comes in, and they start working out on their own and you know maybe they’re stuck, what are the benefits of working with a trainer and specifically a Life Time dynamic personal trainer? So, Makoto I’m going to toss it to you this time to start us off.

Makoto Matsuo:
Thank you. So, the main purpose of working with a dynamic personal trainer here, and why celebrities and athletes work with their trainers, are accountability and education. So, when you go about it by yourself there is zero accountability and it’s hard to perfect your form. So, when you set up that first session with a dynamic personal trainer you have that date and time scheduled. You made that commitment to meet with that trainer at that time and you know if you don’t show up or cancel last second you’re not only letting the trainer down, but yourself. And this is why trainers love to work out with other trainers they like to educate each other, but also motivate each other.

Jamie Martin:
How about you, Sarah?

Sarah Pope:
Awesome. And I think that’s great, you know, just kind of having the ability to have access to a wide range of not only, you know, experience in the fields, but having, you know, the dynamic personal trainer apply their own experience to the clients as well, you know, making it relatable. You know, working with someone that may have had a great weight loss story or had competed. If they want to compete in either, you know, a powerlifting show or a CrossFit games or something or another, like, we have that versatility within the company, being a dynamic personal trainer, that I think it just makes it more rewarding to know that you had not only the motivation if it’s more of a aesthetic goal. But if you want to reach, you know, certain plateaus within your training to, you know, compete for the first time or maybe lose that weight that you gained during pregnancy or you know whatever those types of goals might be. You know having the right team on staff to get you there is really what we value the most upon the services that we provide.

Jamie Martin:
And David I know you’re in this space as well, so anything you want to add?

David Freeman:
Well, I mean, we talk about the word accountability that was mentioned and you know I’m a big, big component of breaking that word into two, being it’s a compound word account and then ability, and what I’ve shared before is account is the measurement, right? It’s how we’re going to arrive at the weight, or the body fat, or whatever the time may be that we’re trying to do in our marathon or 5K, but it’s the ability piece that the dynamic personal trainer brings to life in the coaching, and the mindset and being able to really dive into where do you lack in the ability. Is it the skill or is it the will? And a lot of times if the individual has the skill, but they don’t have the willpower to bring it to life then we can start to close that gap.

But then if it’s the flipside, if they don’t have the skill, but they have the will that’s where that dynamic personal trainer still comes in because now they can help with those mechanics, motor control, so on and so forth. So, that’s the beautiful part about working with so many of these athletes. And I call every individual that I work out with or train an athlete, because they are pushing their body in ways that they used to or they never have before, and that’s the beautiful part about having a coach. The best of the best have coaches, so why would you not want to have a coach to help get you, you know, to that finish line or whatever that goal may be?

Jamie Martin:
I’m like the only one who’s not a trainer. I kind of like that. So, question number three and you alluded to this Makoto, so I’m going to come back to you to start this one. So, how much exercise is too much exercise? Because you initially said when you said when someone is starting a program they might jump in right away. What are some signs or symptoms that might indicate overexercise for an individual?

Makoto Matsuo:
Yeah, that’s a good question. This is definitely different for every person, because your health status can be very different from the person next to you. So, David Freeman’s program or Sarah’s programs are going to be completely different where they might say, hey, this might be a little bit too much for me versus someone that’s just starting out. So, I would rather change the question to are you getting enough recover? Like, are you making sure you’re getting enough sleep, right? They say the best pre-workout is sleep. Are you using the sauna? Are you stretching? Are you utilizing the Normatec? How does your nutrition look like? Are you fueling yourself? Are you getting the right amount of water per day? When was the last time you got your blood panel? Do you need to have certain vitamins or supplements to help you? And I feel like these are the questions you should be asking versus how much exercise is too much.

Sarah Pope:
Spot on, that’s perfect. Yeah, I would agree a hundred percent.

David Freeman:
Yeah, let me dive in on that. I think what we speak to, just because we live in this space so much, is all the things that Makoto just hit on and it’s oblivious, I think, to the rest of those individuals that might be at Life Time or if you’re not at Life Time what’s offered at Life Time. And when Makoto now has told you just now recovery and what that looks like. Obviously, sleep is sleep outside of the resort, but the sauna that he just mentioned and the benefits behind the sauna. The massage at the spa that you can get. The recovery within the pool that you can get. The hot tub. The steam room. The Normatec sleeves as far as compression.

There are so many different things that’s offered outside of the exercise. Work hard, recover harder, but I think taking advantage of those things is what really allows that recovery to come into play. So, if you are listening I really strongly encourage you to do those things that help accelerate the recovery for you to get back into that race. Because we are so addicted to the feeling of what exercise brings us the recovery piece doesn’t give us that same adrenaline rush, those endorphins, if you will. But you’ve got to have that self-care to be able to optimize your overall training and bringing that to life and that’s part of your training is recovery. So, I love that he said it, but I think drilling it down a layer deeper of, like, taking advantage of all the resources that’s offered underneath Life Time.

Jamie Martin:
I’m going to ask another quick question here. Do each of you have a favorite recovery method? Like, if there’s one thing for recovery you’re going to do what would it be? Sarah, I’m starting with you.

Sarah Pope:
The Normatec sleeves.

Jamie Martin:
Makoto, how about you?

Makoto Matsuo:
So, I just started running, I actually signed up for a half marathon next year, but the Normatec has been my favorite and now I’m starting to enjoy the sauna as well too.

Jamie Martin:
Okay, David, over to you. What’s your recovery?

David Freeman:
Sauna. Everybody that is at the resort that I’m at here first of all they would tell you, like, I preach about the sauna 24/7. I go in there for a 20-minute bout, but the part that I love is around the 15-minute mark. It’s just like more of a mental game I started to play with myself. I started asking myself certain que, I just love the sauna, but just go in there from a mental standpoint. Maybe start off with 10 minutes, don’t come out the gate with 20, but just building that tolerance of pushing yourself mentally. Obviously be hydrated, right, but it’s something about that sauna once you push yourself throughout that timeframe, and then you come out and you just feel, I guess, the normal temperature even though it’s hot in Texas, it feels like cool when you come out of the sauna. It’s an amazing feeling, so definitely the sauna. I love it.

David Freeman:
What’s yours?

Jamie Martin:
What’s mine? Okay, so I also just signed up for a race, so I’m doing a 10-miler here in the Twin Cities in October here in Minnesota, and I have been really focused on honestly it’s just kind of getting my stretching in and using like the Theragun or Hyperice and working with my trainer to do that. So, kind of even taking advantage of some of the new dynamic stretch sessions. Getting in there regularly, getting some stretching done, that’s been my favorite, but I need to do more of all of the things you’re talking about.

David Freeman:
Well, I want to go onto to that. I mean, dynamic stretching is something that we recently have launched and I mean I think our listeners they’re like all right you’ve got dynamic training, dynamic stretching, like what’s the difference? So, I mean, I just want to toss it up there, Sarah or Makoto like take a stab at it, or both of y’all for that matter, like what is dynamic stretching? Jamie just said it, like, what exactly is it and why is it any different from us just stretching by ourselves?

Makoto Matsuo:
So, I always tell, especially when I’m casting new trainers or talking to new members, like, Life Time has an ecosystem very similar to Apple, right? Like, when you go to the Apple Store there’s Airpods, there’s a MacBook, there’s, you know, iPhones, there’s everything you could think of when you walk into an Apple Store. The same thing with Life Time training there’s dynamic training, there’s palates, there’s small group training, but now we have dynamic stretch. So, let’s think about the recovery side of things, right?

Let’s think about how many times, or think about when you’re training how frequently you want to start to get to focus on stretching, right? And we know how to stretch ourselves, but to have a professional stretch you in the right period of time is so important for your recovery, but also just putting that time and space into it. It’s like having that mini massage and focusing. It’s like getting an oil change, right, like it’s so important and it’s just so different from the training side of things that I would say it’s more of that reward.

Jamie Martin:
Absolutely. Now, we can go on to the next question, David.

David Freeman:
Getting to the big one here. I love this one, and you know why because I have a favorite out of this, but we offer a lot of group classes. How do I know which one is the best for me? There’s a lot of classes on the schedule, large group, small group, palates, aquatics, we’ve got everything. How do I know which one is the best for me? Sarah, you kick us off.

Sarah Pope:
So, as Mak mentioned earlier when myself or other dynamic personal trainers meet with a new member, for instance, they are new to Life Time, they are offered a onboarding session, which is the initial consultation. You know going through those questions that Mak mentioned earlier and then really just tapping into time, interests, you know, getting to know the person more on a personal level, and then knowing, you know, what’s the short-term and long-term goal. You know trying to not make this all about fitness, trying to see maybe, you know, finding the right instructor as far as personality, you know coaching style, you know things like that, that are going to be relatable to the individual jumping into a new class for the first time, but then really holding them accountable to the plan.

So, you know, let’s just say, like I’ll take myself for instance, you know extensive background in fitness, you know, have a lot of drive, a lot of passion, love to be pushed hard, so on and so forth. I’ve done CrossFit in the past, let’s just say. So, now I’m a new member of Life Time and Life Time offers a small group training class called Alpha. So, Alpha right there has two dynamics of training, you have the strength component and you have the conditioning side. So, if, you know, a dynamic trainer was asking me, you know, what is it that you really want to strongly focus on? And I’m going to say, you know what, I’m really going to hone in on the conditioning aspect. I think all my oly lifts, I think all my compound lifts are pretty on point, but let’s work on that ancillary component of training.

My cardio is shot, let’s just say, so I want to work on improving my metabolic conditioning, which I know that Alpha conditioning can ramp me up towards. So, really just identifying with the individual in terms of style, you know, amongst coach, style of training, so on and so forth, and just really try to get them to be comfortable in their uncomfortable areas of life. Because as we all know change does not happen in your comfort zone, you’ve got to be willing and accepting to change if you want to change yourself.

Jamie Martin:
Mak, anything to add?

Makoto Matsuo:
Yeah. So, Life Time does offer many classes and programs and I would say it’s all I reference. So, I do believe an instructor makes the biggest impact because it all depends on how you like to be pushed. So, do you enjoy an instructor that’s more of a drill sergeant, or do you like an instructor that’s more like a motivator or _____ (00:19:28)? And then start to ask yourself do I have a connection with this instructor? We have so many talented instructors in our company that you want to make sure you have that connection. And then lastly, like, what type of classes do you like? Do you want to run and focus on mobility? Do you like to cycle? Do you like to do cardio or weight training? Do you want to look like Sarah Pope and David Freeman, which then that’s easy because I’ll say make sure you’re taking Alpha. So, it all depends on what type of classes you do like to like.

Jamie Martin:
Well, and I will just say as somebody who goes more, I’m on more of the member side, right? Like, yes, I’m a team member, but I’m also a member and really having those connections for me it’s been about trying different things to really figure out what I want. I’m often surprised by what I want to go back for. Like, I think I like this more, but experimenting a little bit and trying different classes has really opened my eyes to different things I want to get involved with and it also pushes me out of that comfort zone. I don’t dance, but I know, hey, Sarah I saw your handle has Zumba in it. I’m like Zumba is totally out of my comfort zone, but going to that class occasionally is really fun and challenges me in different ways. So, I would really encourage everybody to try different things until you find that connection.

Sarah Pope:
And that’s exactly it, Jamie, like it’s all about finding what’s going to keep you going for more, you know.

Jamie Martin:
Yes.

Sarah Pope:
The art of working out is, I think for me and for anyone that might be just starting, a behavior they need to learn to enjoy. So, if you know you like to dance, but you know you can’t follow a two-step, totally fine. Ask a couple of friends. Ask a couple of members that you know throughout the club, hey, let’s take this class together. I don’t know how to dance, but you know this instructor is a great performer. She breaks everything down in her music, her playlist, perfect, on point, and we’re going to have a great time. So, again, creating that environment, that energy, those are the things that, you know, I feel like we as Life Time, you know, are really great at doing that gravitates all that positive reinforcement.

David Freeman:
This next one we probably hear a lot from our members, all right, so let’s see how y’all tackle this one. You know what David, Sarah, Makoto, Jamie, I’m going throw you in there too, I live a busy lifestyle and it can be hard for me to prioritize my fitness, but I want to have a workout routine. Help.

Sarah Pope:
I’ll take it away. Life is life. You know at the end of the day, life will take us in many ways, but it’s all about making that right choice in the right direction whether it’s five minutes to, you know, whether it’s setting your alarm clock 10 minutes earlier to meditate or pour into your own cup the first thing in the morning, those are going to be positive changes toward prioritizing your health and well being, right. If it’s a 30-minute workout that you may have only had for that day knowing that you have meetings or you’ve got to take kids to, you know, a dance recital, soccer camp, you name it. Like, we hear all of these “excuses,” but at the end of the day if you don’t pour into your own cup, and I know that’s a frequent theme that I keep mentioning, you know you will start to make better choices towards prioritizing your fitness.

So, whether it’s showing up to a class, signing up knowing that instructor is going to be there, knowing that, hey, you know David and I take class together, if I drop out and don’t go to class David’s going to hold me accountable. He’s going to be like, yo, SP like what’s going on? Why didn’t you show up today? I needed my partner to spot me or whatever it was, you know. Having that accountability to prioritize fitness is all focused around the mindset of accountability, yes, but also you know taking the time to understand that you don’t need an hour, you don’t need two hours and it doesn’t even have to be four or five days a week. You know little bits will add to the bigger picture as you keep continuing to find your own groove along the way.

Makoto Matsuo:
It’s weird, but I always like to look at it like reviewing your finances. Like when you’re in debt, like, you have to sit down and write down what you’re spending. So, similar with fitness is you have to look at your schedule from an hourly perspective from like a Sunday through Saturday standpoint and then look at, like, what times am I free? When you actually look at it there will be several times you’ll be free or have time to go to the gym or club. And then you’ve got to make sure that you put that fitness appointment, whether it’s a one-on-one session or a group fitness class, in that calendar to keep you accountable.

So, remember that accountability. So, do you need to hire a dynamic personal trainer? Do you need to bring a friend or a family member with you to class? And remember know one else can do it, but yourself. So, even if it’s 15 to 20 minutes per day, if you add that all up, that’s two hours per week you’re putting in effort to living a healthier lifestyle.

Jamie Martin:
I love that comparison or like kind of using the metaphor of financials. Several years ago on Experience Life we did an article called The Mirrors of Your Checkbook. And I’m just going to talk about this for a second because it was really interesting, like, when you really look at what you’re spending it kind of share whether it’s aligned with what your deeper values are. And I think what you’re saying here too is, like, if you are spending a lot more time on social media, but that time could be redevoted elsewhere that could out of sync with your values, so how can you reshift and rethink? And it’s really about self-awareness, right?

I know David you talk about that a lot. We talk about, like, being aware and just checking in with ourselves regularly about where we are in our actions and behaviors aligning with our deeper values and where want them to move. So, I love that kind of thinking about because we all know what’s like to, like, balance a checkbook or look at that credit card statement and go, like, I ate out too much this month, so how did I do on my workouts?

David Freeman:
I love it. You said it, I mean, I talk about time and everybody knows the acronym that I end up saying TIME is things I must execute, but I’ve got a new one Jamie, Sarah, Mak, y’all ready for it? SPACE, steady patience activates composed execution. So, if you’re giving yourself not only the time, but the space and you’re patient within what it is that you’re doing it’s going to be able to activate, what it is that we’re talking about here is, the execution in the moment. So, making sure that you have the time to dedicate to self, to health, to create the best version of who you are. Trust me when I say how that now translates to home life with the family or friends, how that now relates and correlates to work life, how you’re going to be better in those spaces. So, I mean, I love what you just said there, Jamie, the way you’re utilizing that time and giving yourself that space really will elevate you as a human being in all that you’re doing. So, I love the way you framed that up.

Jamie Martin:
Well, I appreciate that, but you always have an acronym. You guys, he has a new acronym all the time it’s the best. Well, I know this is supposed to be a mini episode and this is not mini at this point, but I do want to give you both, anything else you would want to add or any additional thoughts? Common questions that maybe each of you hear and you’re like I just want to quick address this? Sarah let’s start with you.

Sarah Pope:
I would probably say that don’t let fear steer you in the wrong direction of getting to where you to in life. You know sometimes stepping, tapping into that fear, you know, will get you to where you want to get to with the right support and the accountability. You know, so making the connections, finding the things that you do enjoy and sometimes doing something that you’re not great at will unleash some pretty wild experiences for yourself. So, we all should tap into that greater fear to become a better individual.

Jamie Martin:
How about you, Makoto?

Makoto Matsuo:
Definitely make it fun and keep it simple, right. Like, whether it’s exercising with a friend or a neighbor, or you know maybe it’s just a long walk or you know maybe it’s getting your steps in just like, just start moving, right. And it’s such a great thing to start moving because it’s such a, especially with when we talk a lot about mental health and physical health right now, those common things that we forget about can really make that impact and it just starts with that first goal. So, like, whether it’s getting those steps in, or getting that walk in, or exercising with a friend, or taking your first group fitness class, or Alpha class, or dynamic stretch, or onboarding session. It’s that first step and then continue doing that and eventually by the end of the year start to look at what you’ve accomplished from day one and you’ll be shocked of like the progress you made by just making that first step.

Jamie Martin:
All right. Well, we are going to wrap this up, but before we do we want to make sure that people know where they can find you online, on Instagram or any of the social channels. Sarah where can they find you?

Sarah Pope:
The majority of my platform is on Instagram. It is liftlovezumba.

Jamie Martin:
Awesome. And how about you Mak?

Makoto Matsuo:
So, I have a lot of golf stuff, but its _MAK.

Jamie Martin:
Awesome. Great. Well, thank you both so much for taking the time. We’re going to have to have you both back on at some point. We’ll either do this again or maybe we need to talk about golf next season.

Makoto Matsuo:
Oh, let’s go for it.

Jamie Martin:
Yeah, I think we have some golfers that might want to hear from you. All right, thank you both so much.

Sarah Pope:
Thank you guys for having us.

Makoto Matsuo:
Thank you.

David Freeman:
Thanks for joining us for this episode. As always, we’d love to hear your thoughts on our conversation today and how you approach this aspect of healthy living in your own life. What works for you, where do you run into challenges, where do you need help.

Jamie Martin:
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David Freeman:
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